Moved by Viscount Younger of Leckie That the Grand Committee do
consider the Occupational Pension Schemes (Funding and Investment
Strategy and Amendment) Regulations 2024. Relevant document: 17th
Report from the Secondary Legislation Scrutiny Committee The
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Department for Work and
Pensions (Viscount Younger of Leckie) (Con) My Lords, these
regulations were relaid before the House on 26 February. They bring
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Moved by
That the Grand Committee do consider the Occupational Pension
Schemes (Funding and Investment Strategy and Amendment)
Regulations 2024.
Relevant document: 17th Report from the Secondary Legislation
Scrutiny Committee
The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Department for Work
and Pensions () (Con)
My Lords, these regulations were relaid before the House on 26
February. They bring in new measures that will support trustees
and sponsoring employers of defined benefit occupational pension
schemes to plan and manage their scheme’s funding over the longer
term. The aim of the regulations is to achieve a fair and
long-lasting balance between providing security for members of
defined benefit schemes and affordability for the sponsoring
employer.
I start by giving a bit of background. The UK has the
third-largest pension system in the world, with assets of around
£2 trillion held in both defined contribution and defined benefit
schemes. The pensions sector is an integral part of the UK
economy. I will focus on defined benefit pensions and these
regulations. Over the last decade, across the Organization for
Economic Cooperation and Development, the UK has seen the
greatest improvement in defined benefit funding.
There are around 5,000 defined benefit schemes in the UK, and
around 9 million people who depend on these pensions when they
retire. Defined benefit pension schemes, often referred to as DB
schemes, are a promise that scheme members will receive a
guaranteed income in retirement, usually paid monthly, for the
rest of the member’s life. Between them, UK DB schemes have
around £1.4 trillion of assets under management.
Most DB schemes are closed either to new members or to new
accruals. This means that they have an increasing number of
members who are retired or close to retirement, and either a
decreasing number of members or no members at all who will make
contributions to the scheme. This is referred to as “maturing”
and will change the funding requirements of the scheme. It is
therefore extremely important that employers and trustees work
together to manage maturing schemes to ensure they can continue
to pay members’ pensions.
DB funding levels have improved in recent years through a
combination of employers supporting schemes and, more recently,
changes to interest rates. The Work and Pensions Committee report
on its DB schemes inquiry, published today, recognises the new
opportunities and challenges this brings. But financial markets
and economic conditions are changeable and funding positions can
quickly deteriorate. The Government will respond to the Work and
Pensions Committee report in due course, but I reassure noble
Lords that these regulations are designed to provide a solid
foundation across current and future economic and market
environments. This is good news for schemes, members and
sponsoring employers, and for the UK economy.
The majority of DB schemes are well managed and supported by
their sponsoring employers, but some schemes are not as well run,
or are taking an inappropriate level of risk in their approach to
investment and funding. This can lead to funding problems
developing. Over a quarter of all DB schemes are in deficit on a
technical provisions basis. This means that they have a deficit
which will need to be repaired to ensure that members get their
promised pensions when they are due to be paid—hence the
regulations we are debating today.
The regulations build on the current funding regime for DB
schemes, embed good practice and provide clearer funding
standards. This will help ensure that all DB members have the
best possible prospect of getting the benefits they have worked
so hard to build paid in full when they fall due.
The consultation attached to these regulations built on extensive
discussion, engagement and consultation with the pensions
industry going back as far as 2017. This joined-up working is
ongoing, with the development of the Pensions Regulator’s draft
code of practice through to its most recent consultation on the
statement of strategy. We had good engagement with the
consultation: 92 responses from a wide variety of organisations
across the pensions industry. The industry broadly welcomed the
draft regulations but expressed some concerns that they were too
prescriptive and could be improved for schemes open to new
accrual. We listened, and the regulations before us today take
account of that.
A key aspect of this work was the importance of balancing, on the
one hand, clear standards for both open and maturing schemes that
reflect the best practices that most schemes already follow and,
on the other, ensuring that individual schemes have the
flexibility to make funding decisions that best suit their own
unique circumstances. Also, schemes must continue to be
affordable for their sponsoring employers and to pay out all
pensions as they fall due. Importantly, we aim to promote better
collaboration between sponsors and trustees in the formulation of
an overall journey plan. This includes an investment approach
that reflects the scheme’s circumstances.
The Pension Schemes Act 2021 introduced new scheme funding
requirements for DB schemes and requires DB scheme trustees to
prepare a statement setting out the scheme’s funding and
investment strategy, which must be submitted to the Pensions
Regulator. These regulations are principle-based and set out
detailed requirements for the funding and investment strategy.
Better information and clearer funding standards will help
address the problems the Pensions Regulator has faced in the past
and will enable it to be more effective, efficient and proactive
in carrying out its statutory functions.
As part of this strategy, all DB schemes will be required to set
out their plans for how pension benefits will be paid over the
long term. For example, this could be through buyout with an
insurer, by entering a superfund or by running on with continued
employer support. The strength of this employer support is
fundamental. For the first time, these regulations introduce key
principles for assessing the strength of the employer covenant.
This is an assessment of the financial ability of the employer in
relation to its legal requirements to support the scheme.
Schemes are required to have a clear plan along their glide path
to maturity and low dependency, so as not to need further
employer support by the time they are significantly mature.
Schemes are required to reach low employer dependency in
reasonably foreseeable circumstances. This embeds existing good
practice that funding risks taken by a scheme before they reach
maturity must be supportable by the employer, while providing
explicitly for open schemes to support more risk, because there
is more time for them to address any funding shortfalls.
The best possible protection for a DB member is to be supported
by a strong and profitable employer. That is why we have made it
clear that recovery plans are to be put in place as soon as the
employer can reasonably afford, but this does not mean that the
employer must put every free penny into the scheme to the
detriment of its growth and other commitments. We believe that
this sets an appropriate and sustainable balance while ensuring
that schemes get a fair share of available resources.
The funding and investment strategy must be reviewed and, if
necessary, revised, alongside each scheme valuation, which is
usually every three years. When submitted to the Pensions
Regulator, these valuations will be accompanied by a statement of
strategy. This will articulate the trustees’ approach to
long-term planning and management, as well as their assessment of
the implementation of the funding strategy, key risks and
mitigations and any lessons learned. Depending on circumstances,
the Pensions Regulator now has the flexibility to ask for less
detailed information from the schemes to improve long-term
planning and avoid unnecessary burdens.
These regulations help drive the Government’s vision to encourage
schemes to invest in ways that are productive for the UK economy.
They make it clear that schemes have significant flexibility to
choose investments while meeting the low-dependency principle.
This will help support trustees in reacting to changing
circumstances while investing in the best interests of their
members.
The pensions industry has welcomed these revised regulations,
which are explicitly more accommodating of risk taking, where
supported by the employer covenant. They increase the scope for
scheme-specific flexibility, including allowing open schemes to
take account of new entrants and future accrual when determining
when the scheme will reach significant maturity. The Pensions and
Lifetime Savings Association recently commented that this is
“a significant set of ‘win’”
for its members.
I move on to the timing of these regulations. They will come into
force on 6 April 2024 and a scheme must have a funding and
investment strategy within 15 months of the effective date of the
first actuarial valuation obtained on or after 22 September 2024.
We intend that the Pensions Regulator’s funding code will be laid
before Parliament this summer. The regulations, the code and
guidance will work in partnership. These regulations will
encourage the widespread adoption of existing good practice and
help the regulator to intervene more effectively to protect
members’ benefits.
I am confident that the Occupational Pension Schemes (Funding and
Investment Strategy and Amendment) Regulations 2024 will support
schemes and employers to make long-term plans and enable the
Pensions Regulator to take effective action when needed. This
will help ensure that scheme members get the retirement they have
contributed towards and rightly expect. In my view, the
provisions in these regulations are compatible with the European
Convention on Human Rights. I commend the regulations to the
Committee and beg to move.
of Childs Hill (LD)
My Lords, I thank the noble Viscount very much for his normal
exposition. I am sure that we will hear a lot more detail from
other participants. I will confine myself to some questions
rather than go through this large document, which the noble
Viscount did not go through in great detail.
First, is there a disproportionate governance burden for small
firms? I was worried about how small firms will be able to cope
with these new regulations. Secondly, the resolutions will add to
the duties of defined benefit schemes. Can the noble Viscount
elaborate on how these duties will be dealt with? Thirdly, will
the regulations help set out long-term objectives? I was a bit
worried about comments that these schemes are all coming to an
end and that we are just relying on people sitting in place on
the schemes and very few new people, if any, coming in.
Is there a conflict—I could not answer this myself—between the
beneficiaries and the employers? The noble Viscount used the
phrase “fair balance”. I am not sure that this conflict shows a
fair balance. On the duty of trustees to protect the interests of
the beneficiaries, can we rely on all these trustees to do so,
especially when the schemes are, in effect, stationary and being
wound up? Also, there is the impact of the fund being hived off
to insurance companies. These funds are hived off so often; will
the beneficiaries’ interests really be protected? I think that
will be their worry.
Finally, the noble Viscount talked about actuarial valuations. So
often they mean that funds keep moneys in reserve, probably more
than a commercial firm would have to. Can he comment on that? It
is very nice and careful that they do so, but sometimes that
might have a negative impact on the beneficiaries. I hope he can
give me some answers to those numerous questions.
4.00pm
(Lab)
I thank the Minister for the clarity of his presentation—this is
a complex set of regulations—and for the briefing session that he
arranged for Peers, where I was able to ask quite a lot of
questions. I support these regulations but I want to take this
opportunity to ask three questions.
The regulations were preceded by a government consultation on an
original draft, which was amended post the LDI crisis and in the
wake of the Mansion House productive finance proposals.
Importantly, these regulations remove an uncertainty as to
whether the DWP would qualify a trustee’s independence to make
investment decisions as they make it clear that trustees will
retain the power to decide how to invest the scheme’s assets.
That is welcome; otherwise, it would have significantly weakened
the trustee’s powers to protect scheme members. Is not
intervening on a trustee’s independence to make investment
decisions now settled policy? Also, is any consideration being
given to granting additional powers to the Pensions Regulator to
override investment decisions when it is oversighting a scheme’s
funding and investment strategy?
Secondly, the regulations now allow greater flexibility in
investments and risk-taking than was originally proposed in the
first draft, were it supportable. The DWP has made amendments to
avoid, to use the Government’s own phrase, things that
“inadvertently drive reckless prudence” —that sounds like an
oxymoron—“and inappropriate risk aversion”. As the Minister said,
it is now explicit that open schemes can take account of new
entrants and future accrual when determining when the scheme will
reach significant maturity; this gives them greater scope for
scheme-specific flexibility.
However, I note that these regulations also no longer require
schemes of significant maturity that are making low-dependency
investment allocation broadly to match cash flow from investment
with schemes’ liabilities. The Government have made it clear that
schemes can invest a reasonable amount in a wide range of assets
beyond government and corporate bonds, even after significant
maturity has been reached—for example, when the scheme’s years to
duration of liabilities is around only five to 15. The DWP has
explicitly removed the original draft Regulation 5(2)(a), which
required in schemes of significant maturity that assets be
invested in such a way that cash flow from investments broadly
matched the payment of pensions under the scheme.
Why, when a scheme has reached significant maturity, would
retaining the requirement that assets be invested in such a way
that cash flow from the investments broadly matches the payment
of pensions be considered “reckless prudence” or “inappropriate
risk aversion”—the premise on which the original draft Regulation
5(2)(a) was withdrawn? When a scheme is in significant maturity,
you need prudence and risk aversion because of the need for cash
flow. In fact, in many closed DC schemes, the alignment of
employers’ desire to remove DB liabilities and volatility from
their balance sheets with trustees’ desire to protect benefits
over the long term is increasingly leading to investments held
broadly matching liabilities, as well as to consideration of a
path to buy- out and buy-in for many schemes. It is rather rowing
against what is happening in many instances. I fear that greater
flexibility of access to surplus may not provide a sufficient
incentive for schemes to change their course.
This is my third and final point. The requirement to assess the
current and future development and resilience of the employer
covenant is now on a legal basis and has to be embedded in the
funding and investment strategy agreed by employers and trustees,
which is welcome. It reflects the increasing importance given to
covenants by trustees but the assessment of an employer covenant
can be contested ground between employer and trustee,
particularly where there is a question of whether there has been
a material change to the strength of the employer covenant. Given
this novel legal territory, which is of itself welcome, what
powers does the regulator have to address such disagreements of
view between the trustee and employer on the covenant, given that
they have to agree them in order to proceed with a funding and
investment strategy? How, if there are disagreements—and there
could well be—will the regulator address those?
(Lab)
I need to tell the Committee that I have an interest to declare:
I am a fellow of the Institute of Actuaries. However, I should
add—with some emphasis—that nothing of what I will say
subsequently must be regarded as actuarial advice. It might sound
like actuarial advice but I assure noble Lords that it is not. I
speak from my experience as a scheme actuary having undertaken
scheme valuations, including those under the TPR or previous
iterations of where we are.
Unfortunately, I was unable to attend the briefing session due to
other business in the House. It might have been better if I had
attended because I have reservations about these regulations.
They are going to go through and be implemented but, in
expressing some doubts, I trust that it will affect the
environment in which they are implemented.
In this context, we have to acknowledge the report published
today by the House of Commons Work and Pensions Committee—Defined
Benefit Pension Scheme, its third report of the 2023-24
Session—which comments in some detail on the role and functioning
of the TPR. I want to take this opportunity to highlight some of
the report, in which doubts are expressed about the way the TPR
operates. For example, Mary Starks undertook an independent
review of the TPR and said:
“TPR’s statutory objective to minimise calls on the PPF may drive
it to be overly risk averse, particularly given the PPF’s strong
funding position”.
I will return to that.
Other comments are that the TPR’s objectives have not changed to
reflect the significant changes that there have been in the
defined benefit landscape. The concept of excessive prudence is
widely held within the pensions industry. The PLSA, the Pensions
and Lifetime Savings Association, says that
“it would be helpful to give TPR a greater focus on member
outcomes as a whole”,
while the Railways Pension Scheme trustee corporation suggested
that an objective should be made explicitly to
“protect and promote the provision of past and future service
benefits under occupational pension schemes of, or in respect of,
members of such schemes”.
So there is a significant train of thought coming from the
industry that the TPR has failed to acknowledge its role in
pension provision.
A particular problem highlighted in the first comment is the
position of the PPF, the Pension Protection Fund. In giving
evidence to the Select Committee, its chief executive, Oliver
Morley, said that the objective of the TPR to protect the PPF
was
“looking a bit anachronistic now, given the scale of the reserves
and the funding level”.
I am not asking the Committee to accept or endorse these comments
at the moment but, at the very least, they emphasise that the
role of the TPR is a matter of detailed discussion. The
regulations before us are firmly within a concept of its role,
which many commentators now say is outdated. I have held this
view for some time; it is good to see that it is now accepted
more widely.
This was the conclusion of the Select Committee:
“TPR’s approach to scheme funding has been driven by its
objective to protect the PPF. We agree with those who told us
that the objective now looks redundant, given the PPF has £12
billion in reserves”.
As I said, this is at the very least an issue that should be
confronted, but it is not confronted by the regulations before
us. The regulations are patently too prescriptive. The details
that they require are not directed at the objective of protecting
members’ benefits but are about establishing a system where
box-ticking will take priority over the longer term and broader
interests of scheme members.
I have also argued for some time that the TPR misunderstands its
role. There is a sort of assumption in its thinking that the
calculation of technical provisions represents the best valuation
basis. New readers may well find that this is getting into deep
water but the point is that the actuary who undertakes the
valuation at the request of the trustees must comply with the
appropriate professional standard: Technical Actuarial Standard
300. This is the latest version, coming into effect in April.
It is notable that these requirements, which any actuary valuing
the solvency of a pension fund should follow, do not mention
technical provisions. In essence, the technical provisions are
there to trigger action by the regulator; they are not there to
substitute for the scheme actuary’s solvency valuation. We have
what is in effect a dual basis. The scheme actuary working for
the trustees will advise what they believe to be the appropriate
contribution rate. Parallel to that, there is the system of
technical provisions that, if triggered, require a separate
valuation to be undertaken to calculate the recovery plan.
They are quite separate operations but the TPR consistently
confuses the two. The end result is that, by overemphasising the
role of technical provisions, schemes are being forced into this
problem of excessive care, or excessive protection, of the
members. It is not at all clear to me that this bureaucratic
overweight on the operation of pension schemes ultimately favours
the members in any way. In effect, it forces schemes—LPI is just
one example—to invest in gilts, which is bad for members; there
is no question about that. It is good for the Pension Protection
Fund, and good for a Government who are concerned about being
held up as not caring about the protection of members, but
members’ benefits are drawn from the scheme so the scheme should
be funded in accordance with the actuarial solvency standards, as
set out by the Financial Reporting Council.
4.15pm
For example, these regulations, together with the guidance note
that will follow from TPR, effectively enforce undertaking
valuations on what is known as a gilts-plus basis. That fails to
recognise the breadth of investment opportunities that are
available to a pension scheme, which ultimately will benefit the
members through providing adequate levels of return and
benefits.
Another example is the issue raised earlier about burdens on
small schemes. Schemes with fewer than 100 members do not have to
comply in full because of the way the system works. That excludes
only 1% of assets from the regulatory regime. If the provisions
applied only to schemes with more than 1,000 members, the number
of schemes that would be required to comply with this onerous
burden would be increased to 20%. The gearing between large
schemes and small schemes is substantial.
There are questions about the regulations and about how the way
in which TPR implements them creates problems for schemes. I just
highlight these issues as we will have to return to them as and
when the regulations are implemented and TPR’s guidance is issued
in due course.
(Lab)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for his introduction to these
regulations and all noble Lords who have spoken for their
contributions. I should perhaps say that nothing in my speeches
should ever be taken as actuarial advice or indeed advice of any
kind, unless you have money to burn. As we have heard, these
regulations implement significant changes to the DB
scheme-specific funding requirements in association with the
revised DB funding code. I will go through what I understand them
to be doing—I invite the Minister to correct me if I have it
wrong—and I have some questions.
The changes are driven by the recognition that most DB schemes
are closed to future accruals and are maturing, which makes the
longer-term strategic management of them important if members are
to make sure they get their benefits in full when they fall due.
The key principles underpinning the changes are a requirement for
schemes to be in a state of low dependency on their sponsoring
employer by the time they significantly mature, and better
trustee engagement and better understanding and accountability
between trustees and the regulator.
The regulations require trustees to agree a funding and
investment strategy—an FIS—with the sponsoring employer, which
will set out that longer-term funding objective and how it will
be achieved over the lifespan of the scheme. Schedule 1 then sets
out the matters and principles that trustees must have regard to
in setting their FIS, and that they have to think about liquidity
and unexpected requirements on the journey and after significant
maturity, including the strength of the employer covenant, which
I will come back to in a moment.
The trustees have to consult the employer on a statement of
strategy on progress in achieving their FIS. In the absence of a
Keeling schedule—I confess I am slightly obsessed with them—I
went back to the Pensions Act 2004. Section 221B states that
“trustees or managers must, as soon as reasonably practicable
after determining or revising the scheme’s funding and investment
strategy, prepare a written statement of … the scheme’s funding
and investment strategy, and … the supplementary matters set out
in subsection (2)”.
Paragraphs (a) to (c) of Section 221B(2) say that the
supplementary matters are: the extent to which trustees or
managers think the funding and investment strategy is being
successfully implemented, and if not, what they will do about it;
the main risks faced by the scheme in implementing the funding
investment strategy and what they are doing about the risks; and
their reflections on past decisions and lessons learned.
Paragraph (d) adds:
“such other matters as may be prescribed”.
These matters are now prescribed because they are defined by
Schedule 2 to these regulations, which specifies the information
to be covered in the strategy statement.
I assume this means that TPR will now have discretion on the
level of detail it can request from a scheme in relation to the
supplementary matters. Otherwise, without that discretion, it
would have to rely on its existing powers and the setting of the
clearer funding standards in these regulations. Is that a correct
assumption? How will the DWP monitor whether the regulator is
delivering that higher level of probability for which it is
shooting? Are the Government leaving the door open to the
prospect of increasing the regulator’s powers? That is an
interesting one.
To return to the covenant, Regulation 7 puts the employer
covenant assessment on a formal legal footing for the first time.
The covenant now appears to be central to the new regulatory
framework, rather than being left for the regulator to cover in
the code. I presume the intention is for this to be an area of
increased focus for trustees. This is welcome, given the
increasing importance of covenant strength to the decisions made
by trustees, although I suspect the law is catching up with
trustee thinking as much as driving it.
However, getting access to enough information to assess the
employer covenant is not always easy, and trustees and employers
may not always align in their view of the strength of the
covenant. The Minister mentioned that change can come quickly. We
live in a world where changing markets and the impact of
technology, mergers and acquisitions, leveraging and new
creditors can all make a material difference to the strength of
the covenant in pretty short order. The same forces can also
reduce trustee confidence in the strength of the covenant in the
longer term.
Regulation 7 requires trustees to assess the strength of the
employer covenant, looking at current and future developments and
the resilience of the business when they are setting or revising
the FIS. As the Minister mentioned, funding deficits must be
addressed
“as soon as the employer can reasonably afford”.
But we are also told that the impact on the sustainable growth of
the business must be taken into account. Does that not put the
trustee in the position of being faced with a push-me pull-you
set of regulatory requirements, where the two are pulling in
different directions?
Trustees will be required to seek more detailed information from
the employer regarding its business. The regulator will provide
updated guidance on the covenant, which will set out its
expectations of both employers and trustees, and the regulations
will clearly require trustees and employers to work more
collaboratively in future. I have two questions about this,
following the issue flagged up by my noble friend Lady Drake.
Because placing the assessment of an employer covenant on a legal
basis is novel, we need the Minister to make it clear how the
regulator will resolve disagreements between trustees and
employers on the current and future strength of the covenant,
where that is inhibiting agreement on the FIS. If they cannot
agree on the FIS because of different views on the strength of
that, what will the regulator do about it? Secondly, will the
regulator be able to impose its own view of the covenant on
trustees?
Regulation 16 strengthens the requirements on the chair in
respect of the strategy statement. It seems that the code has
been drafted in a manner which assumes that chairs of trustees
are appointed by the trustee board. I believe that there are
still occupational schemes where the appointment of the chair is
wholly the decision of the employer. Does this carry any
implications for the requirements placed on chairs appointed in
that way?
The costs incurred by trustees, which are funded by employers,
will inevitably increase as a result of this. I am quite sure
that the Minister will have read the 13th report of the Secondary
Legislation Scrutiny Committee. I will not read it out in detail,
but it points out the DWP’s assessment that about 16% of DB
schemes had deficits in March 2023. It says:
“The Impact Assessment … claims that, as a result of these
Regulations, DB schemes’ aggregate ‘deficit reduction
contributions’ could be around £0.26 billion lower over the
10-year period compared to the current situation”.
It goes on to point out a range of issues around this, but what
interests me is this:
“We note … that the IA states that it is based on data from March
2021, ‘therefore more recent market developments (particularly
the rise in interest rates and gilt yields which impacted the
estimated liabilities) are not captured in the modelling.’ In the
light of market volatility, the House may wish to explore how
robust DWP’s assumptions are about the potential benefits of
these Regulations”.
I do not have a dog in this fight, but could the Minister put a
response to that on the record? What assurances can he give the
Committee in response to the concerns of the Secondary
Legislation Scrutiny Committee?
Another point was made by that committee in its 17th report. I
think the Minister indicated—or maybe he did not; I cannot
remember—that this is a revised version of an instrument
originally laid on 29 January. The DWP had to amend the content
to amend the commencement date of one of the provisions to ensure
that it aligned with the policy intention. Yet again, for the
record I note a disappointment that once again we are having
another instrument laid because of errors made in the original
that needed to be corrected. It is becoming a bit of a pattern, I
am afraid. But in this case, it provides us with an opportunity.
In its 17th report, the SLSC said at paragraph 7:
“Our 13th Report of this session provided the House with
extensive supplementary information on how the obligation is
intended to work, and we are disappointed that DWP did not take
this opportunity to improve its Explanatory Memorandum”.
Can the Minister explain to the Committee why the Government did
not take that opportunity afforded to them by the need to reissue
the instrument?
I have two quick points to make that were raised by other
Members. First, on the Work and Pensions Select Committee report,
the Minister said that the Government would respond to that in
due course. I recognise that it has only just come out and they
will not be able to. However, there is one point that would be
helpful in particular—they will already have thought about
this—which is that the committee raised the position of open
schemes and relayed concerns that, despite some of the changes
that had been made, some open schemes still thought that the new
regime could require them to de-risk prematurely. Are the
Government confident that they have landed in the right space on
this?
Secondly, my noble friend Lady Drake asked a very important
question about the regime governing investment by schemes that
have reached significant maturity, essentially about whether they
will no longer be required to balance cash from investments and
liabilities going out. It would be very helpful if we could know
about both of those.
I apologise to the Minister that I have, yet again, asked a
number of questions, but I am grateful and look forward to his
reply.
(Con)
My Lords, I thank all those who have spoken in this short debate.
As usual, there were a number of specific and quite technical
questions, notably from the noble Baroness, Lady Sherlock. I
shall do my best to answer them. I think that some of them may be
included in some of my rounding-up answers to other
questions—but, as she will expect me to, I shall write a letter
copying in all Peers if I fail to answer all of them.
Just on the question that the noble Baroness raised about the
draft regulations, we outlined in the consultation response, as
she alluded to, on 26 January 2024, that we would legislate for
the regulations to come into force from April 2024, applying to
scheme valuations from September 2024. That recognised feedback
through the consultation about the need to give the pensions
industry sufficient time to prepare before the requirements took
effect. The regulations as drafted meant that one component of
the reforms, the recovery plans, would come into effect on 6
April 2024 and not 22 September 2024. Since laying the
regulations, we have recognised that this has the potential to
cause confusion and additional administrative requirements for
schemes. That is why we withdrew the regulations and relaid a
revised version.
For clarity, we made two changes to the regulations. The first
amendment was to ensure that the changes to recovery plans took
effect only when the effective date of the actuarial valuation to
which the recovery plan relates is on or after 22 September 2024.
The second, in light of the first, is to clarify that changes
which relate to actuarial valuations and reports also apply only
on or after 22 September 2024. I reassure the noble Baroness that
no other changes were made. These changes restate our intention
to give sponsoring employers, scheme trustees and managers the
same amount of time to prepare for the new requirements in the
recovery plan.
I do not believe that I have an answer to the Explanatory
Memorandum question, but I shall see whether I can address that
before my remarks have concluded.
4.30pm
Let me say at the outset that it is important that defined
benefit pension schemes are well managed and properly funded for
the long term, and that schemes and their sponsoring employers
have the best possible support to manage their funding and
investment decisions. As I said in my opening speech, these
regulations will make sure that DB pension schemes are following
best practice and looking forward towards their long-term
outlook. They will ensure that schemes are doing the best they
can to deliver the promised pensions to the people who depend on
them in retirement while giving schemes the flexibility that they
need to suit their own individual circumstances. As it has been a
theme of this debate, I stress that last point about flexibility;
I know that it was an area of particular concern to the pensions
industry during the consultation. I am happy to confirm again
that flexibility will continue to be a key feature of the new
regime.
I will dive straight into the questions asked. The noble Lord,
, asked whether the regulations
impose a disproportionate administrative burden and cost
compliance. That is a fair question. The requirement to determine
and review a funding and investment strategy alongside each
actuarial valuation, as well as the requirement to prepare a
statement of strategy and send it to the TPR, will undoubtedly
impose some additional burden on DB schemes. However, most
schemes that are well managed will already be planning for the
long term and managing their risks effectively; for many, the
additional burden of compliance with these regulations is likely
to be pretty minimal.
We have sought to ensure that the information to be provided on
the statement of strategy is limited to that needed by the TPR.
The regulations provide discretion for the regulator to ask for
less detail from some schemes. We have also taken the opportunity
to eliminate duplication in existing arrangements for schemes to
provide a summary of the actuarial valuation. It may be helpful
to the noble Lord to know that schemes face an average of £7,000
in implementation costs and £1,100 in ongoing costs, although
these costs may of course vary from one scheme to the next. We
would argue that this is a small cost relative to the £1.4
trillion in aggregate assets held by DB schemes.
The noble Lord, , and the noble Baroness, Lady
Drake, asked about the regulations changing the balance of power.
It is important that sponsoring employers are involved in the DB
scheme’s long-term funding and investment strategy because the
employer is responsible for funding it. The regulations do not
undermine the independence of scheme trustees, who will continue
to invest in the best interests of members in line with their
fiduciary duties. Although trustees must take account of the
objective that, on and after the relevant date, the assets are
invested, in accordance with a low-dependency investment
allocation, the actual scheme investments may diverge from this.
This ensures that the sponsor employer agrees the long-term
funding targets but, importantly, that it continues to offer
trustees the independence they need to invest scheme funds in the
best way possible and, of course, in the interests of the scheme
members.
The noble Lords, Lord Davies and , asked about the new measures
and how we will ensure that they do not result in a
disproportionate governance burden for small schemes. As I
mentioned earlier, the TPR operates a risk-based approach to the
supervision and regulation of schemes; it will be proportionate
in its approach to regulating smaller schemes. These regulations
provide the regulator with discretion to ask for less detail from
some schemes, which will enable it to operate the fast-track
approach. The regulator intends to make some adjustments to what
data small schemes must provide to reduce the burden on them. It
is currently consulting with industry on data submissions and how
to ensure such a proportionate approach.
Our impact assessment acknowledged that small or micro schemes
are less likely to be following some of the proposed standards
already. Therefore, they may incur extra costs. As the sponsoring
employer will be responsible for additional costs, this may
increase costs to smaller businesses, but it should be remembered
that not all small schemes are supported by small businesses:
data shows that DB schemes are now generally run by larger
employers as a pooling process. Data from the TPR indicates that
most small schemes are well funded, with those with fewer than
100 members having an aggregate funding ratio of 112%, on a
technical provisions basis; those figures are as at March
2023.
I turn to TPR and the questions asked by the noble Baronesses,
Lady Sherlock and Lady Drake, on its powers, looking ahead to
when all the pieces of the new funding regime are in place. The
Pensions Regulator will continue to be proportionate in its
approach and take account of the circumstances of each scheme
when supervising and regulating pension schemes. Although neither
Ministers nor officials can become involved in the regulator’s
decisions on whether to exercise its powers, my department has
oversight of its performance. This oversight is exercised
formally through the approval of its business plans and
strategies and quarterly accountability reviews, and is augmented
by regular informal dialogue and engagement.
The noble Baroness, Lady Drake, made a point about lack of powers
and asked what enforcement powers the Pensions Regulator has to
address non-compliance. The Pensions Regulator has significant
powers under Section 231 of the Pensions Act 2004 to correct
funding arrangements in certain circumstances. The existing
powers have been extended to include failure to comply with the
requirements for preparing a funding and investment strategy. It
is important for there to be a sufficiently high bar to ensure
that TPR’s Section 231 funding powers are used appropriately and
fairly. Although enforceability is an important objective, TPR
will aim to be proportionate and targeted in respect of
enforcement. In addition to Section 231, TPR has other powers
that it can use in DB funding cases where there is a breach of
legislation, including information-gathering powers to gather
evidence, improvement notices and Section 10 financial
penalties.
The noble Lord, , made the point
that TPR might be too risk averse. Perhaps I can reassure him by
saying that TPR, which he will know more about than me, operates
on a risk-based and outcome-focused approach when it comes to the
supervising and regulating of pension schemes. It will continue
to be proportionate in its approach and will take into account
the circumstances of each scheme, including, as I mentioned
earlier, smaller schemes. I have covered the fast-track approach
on that.
The noble Baroness, Lady Drake, asked about duration of
liabilities. We want the funding and investment strategy to
provide a stable framework for long-term planning and to be
regularly reviewed. We do not want excessive revisions driven by
the volatility of the method used to measure maturity. The
Government acknowledge that the duration of liabilities measure
is sensitive to economic conditions, so these regulations require
the economic assumptions used to calculate this duration to be
based on the economic conditions prevailing on 31 March 2023. The
TPR will remodel the duration of liabilities at which schemes
will reach significant maturity using the economic conditions on
31 March 2023. It will not be the 12 years’ duration proposed in
its draft DB funding code, which was based on different economic
circumstances. Although different measures of maturity have
advantages and disadvantages, they can all be sensitive to
economic volatility; on balance, we continue to believe that the
duration of liabilities measure is the best option.
The noble Baroness, Lady Drake, asked about trustees and their
roles, including what happens if trustees and employers fail to
agree a funding approach. We expect and encourage sponsor
employers and scheme trustees to have positive discussions to
agree their funding and investment strategy. In situations where
a suitable funding and investment strategy has not been agreed
between the two, the regulator will encourage and assist them to
work together to agree their strategy. If there is still no
agreement, the regulator can take enforcement action. It will
have the power to set a funding and investment strategy for them
or may take other enforcement action depending on the
circumstances. This can range from appointing a trustee to a
scheme to enable it to be run effectively through to issuing
fines where that is considered appropriate. However, I would
argue that that would be pretty extreme.
The noble Baroness, Lady Sherlock, asked whether the regulator
will be able to impose its own view on the covenant. I assure her
that further detail will be set out in the code and covenant
guidance and that the code will be published this summer. As she
knows, this will come into force on 22 September 2024.
In opening this debate, I mentioned that these regulations will
help schemes to invest more productively to the benefit of
members, sponsoring employers and the UK economy as a whole. My
department’s impact assessment estimates that the regulations
could provide a greater incentive for almost 1,400 schemes to
invest more productively. This could potentially unlock up to £5
billion of further investment in private equity and venture
capital. Indeed, analysis from the TPR shows that most schemes
already have headroom for more productive investments and that
perhaps between 70% and 75% of schemes can invest more
productively. This means that, where appropriate, schemes can
invest in a wider range of long-term, return-seeking assets. The
aim is that the scheme assets will be working harder for all
stakeholders while, importantly, keeping members’ pension
benefits secure.
Certain questions were asked in this area, in particular by the
noble Lord, Lord Davies. He asked about forced investment into
gilts. As DB schemes mature, they generally invest a growing
proportion of funds in more secure assets, such as bonds and
gilts, to protect their funding position and to ensure that they
have sufficient funds to pay the increasing number of pensioner
members when benefits are due. Most DB schemes are maturing and
there has already been a significant shift to a higher proportion
of investments in more secure assets. At the end of March 2023,
around 70% of all DB funds were invested in bonds. We do not
believe that these regulations will drive further overall
de-risking of DB scheme investments or increase systemic risk by
driving more investment in bonds. I hope that the noble Lord
agrees with that.
The noble Baroness, Lady Sherlock, asked about the covenant. Her
question was: is it a weakness and where is the bite? That was
the gist, I think. She is looking a bit puzzled. Even if that was
not the question, I am still going to give the answer. This is
the first time that the employer covenant has been defined in
regulations. The regulations provide clarity on what must be
considered when assessing the employer covenant as a key underpin
for supportable risk. For most, this will simply be embedding
current good practice. The Pensions Regulator will set out clear
expectations on the provision of information from employers to
trustees in order to enable them to assess the employer
covenant.
There are probably questions that I have not addressed. I will
certainly look very closely at Hansard and will be sure to answer
any outstanding questions. Before I conclude, I think the noble
Baroness has a question.
(Lab)
I fully accept that some of these questions may have been
technical and that the Minister may need to write but, in the
case of one question that I asked, I would fully expect him to
have come able to answer. The Secondary Legislation Scrutiny
Committee took a lot of time taking these regulations apart. It
made a number of recommendations and made comments about the
Explanatory Memorandum. I fully accept the Minister’s explanation
as to why the instrument was relaid—that makes absolute sense—but
the committee explicitly asked why the DWP did not take advantage
of the opportunity of having to relay the instrument to improve
the Explanatory Memorandum. I know that he will have read the
report, as I know he holds the committee in high regard, so I am
sure that he came briefed and able to answer the question of why
the department did not respond to that recommendation. Could he
just answer that for us?
(Con)
Yes, I will do my best to do so. Regarding the Explanatory
Memorandum, as outlined, because the changes here were focused on
clarifying the date on which the regulations came into effect,
the changes to the Explanatory Memorandum were limited to reflect
the change. We shall note the feedback for future SIs. That is my
answer but let me reflect on it; I might well be able to enhance
it in the letter that I am clearly going to have to write.
(Lab)
I will not interrupt further but, just to clarify the question,
the point the committee was making was not that the Explanatory
Memorandum needed to be changed to reflect the changes in the
instrument itself. It was that, since the department was having
to relay the whole thing, why not take the opportunity to do a
better job of the EM? That is all.
(Con)
Absolutely. I think I have already indicated that lessons have
been learned. From my point of view, I regret that we fell down
on the Explanatory Memorandum and that we had to relay the
regulations. Just for the record, I wanted to say that.
With that, I hope that we can take these regulations forward.
Motion agreed.
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